Initial restoration of badly degraded land

Much of the land where we live in the mountains of Haiti is badly degraded from years of mismanagement. We have much appreciated some ideas we have found in various resources on conservation agriculture, agroforestry and syntropic agriculture. A central theme of these systems seems to be increasing soil organic matter by increasing biomass production. However much of the practical advice we have seen seems to assume soil that isn’t in too bad a shape. When we started restoring the land for our demonstration farm here, we found a lot of the ideas we found (for example, in Roland Bunch’s book Restoring the Soil) did not work so well right away. As we are continuing to learn, it appears that there is some upfront work needed before some of the common green manure ideas can work well. We had soil that was so bad when we started that even Jack beans barely gave back the seed we planted. Now they are thriving. We invested a lot of effort in planting lablabs but most of them did poorly until the soil was a bit better. This is even with using commercial available innoculum.

I think it would be helpful to have some techniques for initial restoration of very badly degraded soil. The best I’ve seen here so far is probably planting Napier/Elephant grass and then cutting it down for mulch. I’ve seen biomass transfer mentioned in a recent ECHO technical note. I’ve been thinking about this and how best to restore land. If someone has productive land nearby to transfer biomass off of then that seems a reasonable option but what if only the land to be restored is considered and what if that land is all poor and not producing much biomass?

That leads me to a question I have that I think would be a very good research question if it hasn’t already been studied. That is, does the biomass production of badly degraded land grow linearly or non-linearly as the land is restored? For example, if we consider one square meter of land, will the number of kilograms of biomass that land can produce each year as he land is fallowed be something like 1 kg, 3 kg, 5 kg, 7 kg, etc. or more like 1 kg, 3 kg, 8 kg, 20 kg, etc.

We know that fallowing land works but is slow. We now that planting certain species of plants can shorten fallowing times. But my question of linear vs. non-linear biomass production relates to the strategy of how to allocate the land being restored. If biomass production increased linearly as land was fallowed then it would make sense to not do biomass transfer from one part of the land to another as you would just slow down the recovery of the section you are taking biomass from by a similar amount as you would speed up the recovery of the section you are transferring the biomass to which would mean your work had no net benefit. However, if biomass production initially increased exponentially (for example) as soil organic matter increased, then it might make sense to work to restore a part of the land first by transferring all or most of the biomass produced in the whole land to that one section and then when that section was healthy and producing biomass well to use that now much increased biomass to transfer to the next section to be restored.

Does anyone here have any experience with this question and how to do initial land restoration most rapidly (assuming external inputs are not available)? @Roland_Bunch and @Roger_Gietzen do you have any thoughts on this?

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Joel,

Since you’ve watched my training videos, you know it is more than just organic matter that is needed for fertile soil. It is the whole micro-biome (healthy bacteria, fungi and the aggregates they live in). This is produced when a dense vegetative growth is cultivated and cut at strategic times. You may also recall I mention that the most important pathway for soil regeneration is the liquid pathway (root exudates) more than the mulch that decomposes. When you understand that, then biomass transfer (other than on small scale, one time at the beginning) doesn’t make sense. Root exudate production is increased by pruning a plant. So the cutting stimulates more regeneration below ground then the biomass you harvest above ground.

I would suggest starting with a small area and planting a dense perennial dominant consortium. The one given in my training has worked well in Haiti, even in degraded areas. Start with the rainy season. Follow the design exactly. Try napier grass, pigeon pea, cassava, jack bean and whatever trees will grow. We tend to have luck with flamboyan, fwenn, neem, mahogany, etc. They will be pollarded for mulch.

Once you have success in a small area, use your confidence and knowledge to scale up.

Best wishes.

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Hi Joel and Roger,
We have very similar conditions. The land is so poor that we can’t get anything to grow except Hispaniola Pine. The difficulty in implementing syntropic in these conditions, is that we can’t find a plant that grows enough to produce biomass to build up the soil.
We’ve tried compost and commercial fertilizer, with no visible results.

I’m anxious to try the elephant grass. Vetiver and calliandra do grow, but so slowly that there isn’t much biomass.

Synthetic planting after 1 year. The grasses are the only thing that grew at all, and they were slow.

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Greetings Roger,

Thanks for the reply.

Yes, I understand that healthy soil consists of more than just organic matter. However, don’t you think that soil organic matter is one of the major things needed in soil to support the microbial life? I’m not saying that making good soil is just a matter of dumping organic matter on it (although I wonder if that is true). However, for very poor soils, it seems like there is some sort of boot-strapping process needed to get it to the point where it can support something like syntropic agriculture or other similar system. I have land that I’ve been working on for a few years now that I think could work well with something like syntropic agriculture. I’m interested in exploring and experimenting like you suggest (and visiting one of your demonstrations sites when possible) but there are a couple of reasons it isn’t the most urgent thing I’m trying to figure out.

I live in an area with a large enough population density that basically all the land is being used and much of the land is in very bad shape and I don’t think is ready to just plant a syntropic consortium and see it thrive. I’m obviously speculating some because I haven’t tried it but if I have land that can’t even grow jack beans well then I doubt that dense consortiums like you are using can do well here in the first year or two. I’m very interested in figuring out systems like syntropic agriculture as it seems very plausible to me that they represent a very refined way to maximize productivity of the land on a sustainable basis without external inputs, which I think is a great objective. However, I’m skeptical that it is the optimal way to bootstrap a system that is barely producing weeds. Given how much land is badly degraded around me and how desperate the situation is in regards to poor food production and resulting malnutrition, it seems that there is a lot of good potential to try to find or develop a system for rapidly getting soil to the point it can start to thrive.

The second reason figuring out syntropic agriculture isn’t my #1 priority right now is that although I’m fairly confident that I can follow the directions from your material and make it work with some time, I’m skeptical I can transfer this to many of my neighbors in the short term. It seems to me like syntropic agriculture, more than any other system I’ve run across, is an advanced technique that requires a motivated and somewhat intelligent individual to implement well. I’m having a hard time even convincing people around here that slash-and-burn isn’t doing good things for them and to even do anything to prevent soil erosion. Pursing more optimal solutions seem like a longer term goal. In the short term, if people here don’t start implementing changes on more than a small minority of the land, I think mass migration or mass mortality are going to the result here in the near future. I’m looking for a technique that doesn’t require external inputs (even biomass from other land, since that can’t scale up quickly) and works much faster than fallowing and can be implemented soon by people who can’t read or write and have extremely low knowledge and competency because I think that will be necessary to avoid very bad outcomes here.

What I would really love to see is some head-to-head trials of a few various ways to try to get land from very bad to something easier to work with which I suspect would be different than comparing various conservation agriculture systems to see which one did the best of longer term improving/maintaining soil fertility& food output.

Flamboyan and Fwenn are trees I’m not familiar with. Is that Delonix regia and Simarouba glauca? The other two I’ve heard of but have no experience with. Have you seen any of these do well at high elevations (we are at 1500 m). Leucaena diversifolia and Calliandra seem to grow well here.

Joel

Hi Mike,

What elevation is that at?

Do you have elephant grass there? I’m still working to try to get dwarf elephant grass here for erosion control but we have two tall varieties and they grow well here in all but the worst washouts. We are starting to mulch decent sized sections of land just with elephant grass leaves. We try to avoid putting the stalks down for mulch as they root so readily in the rainy season. I’ve been either composting the stalks or throwing them in washouts. It seems like this is a viable way to take back really bad washouts/ravines. I can send you some pictures if you want.

Castor was slow the first year we planted it but now grows like a weed. I’m trying it as a dry season cover crop this year.

Leucaena diversifolia seems to grow rapidly here but maybe not on the worst soil. It seems capable of growing faster than our pine trees here (I haven’t tried doing a fair comparison so that is just much uncontrolled observation). So far nothing I’ve seen here puts out the biomass of Elephant grass on the poor soils but I imagine trees will do more once they are large.

If I had to do the last 4 years over again, I think I would plant everything I could in elephant grass right away and make as much mulch as I could and then start digging the grass out and replacing it with more useful stuff once the soil was a bit better. Maybe there is something better than that.

Joel

Dear Joel,

Yes, I worked in Haiti quite a bit back in the 1980s, and even then, I realized that Haiti’s soils were in bad shape. Since then, having worked in about 80 nations around the developing world, I have become convinced that Haiti’s soils are probably worse than those of virtually any other nation anywhere.

So what can be done? First of all, one thing we learned in Central America a number of years ago is that if you plant jack beans on wasteland that still has its natural vegetation on it (usually a lot of grassy weeds), the jack bean will not grow. Somehow these weeds have a way of really competing seriously with any other species. But we found that if we plowed or hoed these natural weeds out of the field, burying their organic matter, so bare soil existed on the surface, we could plant the jack beans and they would grow very well. Have you tried this? If not, it may be the solution for you.

If that doesn’t work, I would check the pH of the soil. If it is below about 4.5, then it will have to be increased before anything else can be done.

If neither of these things works, I would think that probably the only solution would be to bring in a truckload of animal manure and give enough of it to several of your farmer leaders to help restore a 10-by-10 mt plot for each one. I don’t like giving stuff away free, but that may be the only solution, so do it sparingly. Then, with a decent amount of organic matter, I’m sure the jack bean will grow. Then have the farmers gradually, over several years, use part of the resulting jack bean biomass to increase a little more of their land each year. This would be a long process, but in Haiti, any improvement is going to make people plenty happy, and a slow process that will endure after the program leaves is a whole lot better than a process where the program brings in truck after truck of organic matter, and then everything comes to halt (as it will in this case) the minute the program leaves.

Well, I hope something of this works. Let me know what happens.

I am attaching two papers, both of which are still unfinished. The second one is on jack beans.

Lots of luck, Roland

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Dear Joel,

Well, I’ll try again. The jack bean attachment will hopefully appear at the bottom of this email!

Roland

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Greetings Roland,

Thanks for the suggestions.

I find your observation about the soil in Haiti relative to other countries very interesting. Do you have a sense of why that might be or what about the soil might be worse? I don’t have much experience with tropical agriculture outside of Haiti but my impression is the climate here (at least up at 1500 m where we live) seems fairly ideal for land restoration (lots of sun, lots of rain, not too hot, not too cold) but we have been surprised at just how badly so many things we have tried grow here (at least at first).

All the places we have tried jack beans here have had the weeds removed first so I don’t think that is our problem. We do have one spot now that the jack beans are doing well but it was soil that looked a tiny bit richer and we have had a couple of years of pulling the weeds on it and letting them compost in place plus putting some other mulch there.

Our pH is pretty consistently about 7 in the tests we have done so I don’t think that is our problem.

Where we live the roads are rough enough that even getting a truck in here would be a challenge so I don’t know that the truckload of manure would work but that basic idea of biomass transfer is what motivated my initial question. If you have to produce all or most of your initial biomass on the property you are restoring and if that land is very bad, what is the fastest way to jump-start the process? Would it make the most sense to plant biomass plants and then chop and drop them in place or to take the biomass you produce and concentrate it in on one spot of the property and get that growing very well so that you can take the biomass from the good spot to help restore the rest of the property?

I think you are right that I will have to resign myself to a long process, but I would love to figure out a way to speed that process up.

Joel

Joel,

Thanks for the additional info. We have successfully restored soil in severely degraded conditions using syntropic principles, but the consortiums are different. We had one area that was basically a lime stone gravel pit. The only things that would grow were different types of cactus. We planted them in lines on contour in high density and pruned them back as they grew and mulched with that. Concentrating it along the lines. After about a year we were able to get jack bean to grow and then later gomye and the trees I mentioned above. Just this last April we were finally able to get mombasa to grow, even though barely.

That property is 3 years and making progress, but still has a long way to go before we would plant the consortium listed in the training. Syntropic is not a recipe, but a set of principles. Your example proves that point.

From what you are describing, it sounds like your area is slightly better than the limestone situation we had. Have you tried pigeon pea? That would be one of the most resilient plants I can think of. I know of people who have densely planted that alone and a year or two later come back and cut and covered the ground with it (concentrating it in lines on contour) and then they were able to grow many more things including trees. In syntropy, this is known as successional planting. I can refer you to an inexpensive course that Scott Hall offers from Australia (https://www.syntropia.com.au/). He was faced with a similar situation. He found after a year of land prep, he than was able to go back to the “plant all at once” practice that I discuss in my training.

If you can get both pigeon pea and elephant grass to grow, then you should definitely have good results in one year. I would plant that elephant grass on contour in rows every 3 meters. Plant the sticks very close. Maybe 20cm apart. Then fill the inter-row with pigeon pea. The full height elephant grass will produce more biomass than the dwarf. It’s not clear why you prefer that. If you are worried about regrowth from the stalk, then just make sure to cut it with it’s still leafy.

If by chance you miss that stage and it has a woody stalk, it doesn’t really matter. Because you will be dropping the mulch right at the feet of the grass. It will grow again in the line where it already is. Here is a video that explains that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDb1csyjtK8

This is getting complicated enough, I think you might benefit from a phone call or video call. If you would like, just email me again and we can find a time to talk.

Yes, both of the trees you mentioned are the correct latin names. It looks like only Delonix regia will grow at that elevation. Look around, what trees are growing? Leucaena is actually not the best for biomass production, but in a pinch, I would plant that and calliandra. Is there anything else?

Fyi, Ernst Gotsch had 1500 acres of severely degraded land with a starting pH of 3.6. He restored that soil without bringing any inputs in. Bring whatever plants and trees will grow, plant them densely and cut and cover - concentrating in one area as you said. When you fix the biology, it fixes the chemistry and transforms the soil structure.

As for training Haitians, we have Haitian instructors that are successfully teaching farmers who cannot read or write in a one day session that is a mix of theory and practice. Within one year that have the basic skills for planting and managing a young system. The challenge is winning their trust.

I would start doing it yourself, develop confidence yourself. If we can get one of our men up there, the combination of those two things might be enough. It depends on how much they trust you or whether we can gain the trust of one influential community members. That one person can help convince the others.

Does that make sense?

Dear Joel,

If I remember correctly, the problem of poorer soils stems largely from the fact that poor Haitians, for years, have been working on smaller plots than farmers almost anywhere else, and therefore started the whole process of soil degeneration (as I described in the attached papers) earlier than anywhere else, so the degradation process has worsened the soils more just because it has been going on longer.

Joel, we did some trials in some highly degraded soil where we tried various soil amendments. Unfortunately, due to an insect infestation we were not able to get some really good data so what I am telling you is more observational than anything. We tried various treatments including lime, chemical fertilizer, and some others that I don’t recall at the moment. The one that seemed to work best was a combination of chicken manure and biochar. For biochar we just used charcoal that had been ground up into a fairly fine powder, which was readily available in our area. We are going to try to redo the trials when hopefully we don’t run into another insect infestation so that we can get some better information. I would be interested in what Roland thinks on this. You may want to try this in a small area and see how it works for you.

How to get out of severe financial debt, simply and without any outside help or capital - quickly!

How to get sick people to do productive work, simply and without outside help or inputs - quickly!

Hmm, are those fair financial/health equivalents of what you are asking regarding restoring degraded soils? :smiley:

It’s a big ask man! I’m enjoying the discussions you all are having. As to rate of restoration 2,4,6,8… I am thinking it won’t be linear, just because most things aren’t - I would guess (really scientific I know) that it’s more like diminishing returns… Or learning anything new. It’s painfully slow at the beginning. Then it goes way faster and then progress slows down again.

Often in the tropics we can make huge yield gains from simple things… Where as in the west a 5% improvement is big. because they are at the top of the curve… And its hard to improve on really good.

Sounds like you are right at the bottom of the curve in Haiti… It’s hard to get a sick man to do productive work without healing him first… Same goes for soil - it’s worth it in the long run though.

Another reasons I believe that gains will grow in non linear fashion is that as soils get healthier they can fix more and more of the sun energy into the ecosystem… I would hope it to be more exponential or like compound interest (for a time, once the ball gets rolling, until it reaches the bottom of the hill.) Alot depends though on what was leaching / draining / removing from the system - which probably led to the degradation in the first place being adequately resolved.

Hmm are there areas of better soil that are less degraded where one could be farming alot better than they are now that it could be better to focus on? I know it’s attractive to fix the most broken thing around but is it the most beneficial where you are - in terms of the needs of the people there? Do they farm the better land there well? And if they don’t… should you start by fixing the bad land?

May God guide you and give you wisdom as you go about all of it and may He get lots of glory from what you are doing - whether it’s successful or not. That said I hope he’ll establish the work of your hands.

Dear Joel,

I think the best thing to do is for you to send me your personal email address, instead of our using the ECHO system. Then I can send you the [a[ers I failed to get to you this last try.

All the best, Roland

Hi Roland,

If you are responding to Joel’s inquiries directly in your email, they can’t be uploaded to the thread on Conversations. Can you click the link at the bottom that says “Visit this topic” and upload them there? You should be able to upload them to ECHO’s Conversation platform directly. If you are having problems, please send them to me and I’ll make sure they get attached to your first message! We’d love for others to benefit from your insights, which doesn’t happen when they are emailed alone.

Stacy